Smoking to be banned in UK pubs and restaurants.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html

Ban on cars next?

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Martin

Paul Dwerryhouse

2005-10-09 10:38:00 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Hopefully.

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2005-10-09 10:43:33 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

What a good idea- from city centres anyway.

The news here is that it's likely a complete ban will be enforced now,
rather than exempting pubs which don't serve food. However, the
legislation only affects England, as the article makes clear. Scotland
is already going to have a complete ban, and Wales probably will to. I
don't know the situation in NI- though it would make sense if it went
the same way as the rest of the Island! It's good news, but at least a
couple of years away. Couldn't come too soon for me. In restaurants with
separate sections here (and that certainly doesn't include all
restaurants- particularly not Chinese, I've noticed) the non-smoking
section is usually filled to the brim, with the few smokers often still
managing to pollute the air for others.

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Martin

2005-10-09 11:21:48 UTC

Post by chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:43:33 +0100, ***@yahoo.com
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

What a good idea- from city centres anyway.
The news here is that it's likely a complete ban will be enforced now,
rather than exempting pubs which don't serve food.

That's what the article says. :-)

Post by chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
However, the
legislation only affects England, as the article makes clear. Scotland
is already going to have a complete ban, and Wales probably will to. I
don't know the situation in NI- though it would make sense if it went
the same way as the rest of the Island! It's good news, but at least a
couple of years away. Couldn't come too soon for me. In restaurants with
separate sections here (and that certainly doesn't include all
restaurants- particularly not Chinese, I've noticed) the non-smoking
section is usually filled to the brim, with the few smokers often still
managing to pollute the air for others.

Ferries next?

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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

2005-10-09 11:23:05 UTC

Post by Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h

[]

Ferries next?

It's a while since I've been on one. I'm surprised it's not banned
already. All trains are now smoke-free in the UK.

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Martin

2005-10-09 11:28:05 UTC

Post by chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:23:05 +0100, ***@yahoo.com
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h

Post by Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h

[]

Ferries next?

It's a while since I've been on one. I'm surprised it's not banned
already. All trains are now smoke-free in the UK.

Between NL and UK both P&O North Sea Ferries and DFDS ferries are full
of cigarette smoke. On P&O North Sea Ferries except on the top deck
it's even fed into the cabins.

They have idiot designated non smoking areas in the public areas, like
no pissing areas in swimming pools.

--
Martin

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

2005-10-09 11:30:38 UTC

Post by chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

Post by Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h

Post by Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h

[]

Ferries next?

It's a while since I've been on one. I'm surprised it's not banned
already. All trains are now smoke-free in the UK.

Between NL and UK both P&O North Sea Ferries and DFDS ferries are full
of cigarette smoke. On P&O North Sea Ferries except on the top deck
it's even fed into the cabins.

I remember that on the Newcastle to Bergen route.

Post by Martin
They have idiot designated non smoking areas in the public areas, like
no pissing areas in swimming pools.

Not much point, is there?

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Retired

2005-10-25 22:35:58 UTC

Post by chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
It's a while since I've been on one. I'm surprised it's not banned
already. All trains are now smoke-free in the UK.

Between NL and UK both P&O North Sea Ferries and DFDS ferries are full
of cigarette smoke. On P&O North Sea Ferries except on the top deck
it's even fed into the cabins.

You've answered your own mail.

Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.
(and please spare me the _Human Rights_ business).

retired/uk.

Martin

2005-10-26 08:45:14 UTC

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:35:58 +0100, "Retired"

Post by Retired

Between NL and UK both P&O North Sea Ferries and DFDS ferries are full
of cigarette smoke. On P&O North Sea Ferries except on the top deck
it's even fed into the cabins.

You've answered your own mail.
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.
(and please spare me the _Human Rights_ business).
retired/uk.

but not long to live?

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-26 09:25:01 UTC

Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

freedom to smoke and freedom from smoke balance out, the killer
point is that staff get involuntary exposure to smoke, which is a
health and safety issue, so smoking will stop in places employees
would be exposed to it.
I'll be glad to see the back of the filthy stink, all health
matters aside.

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a.spencer3

2005-10-26 10:56:11 UTC

Post by The Reid
Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

So presumably you don't smoke?
I agree that 'no smoking' areas are pretty useless as far as non-smokers are
involved - there is inevitable smoke drift, etc. I have every sympathy with
them.
Why the xxxxxx cannot establishments just have the freedom to declare
themselves 'smoking' or 'non-smoking'?
Customers and staff could then simply choose their venues/places of work
accordingly.
I'm a lifelong smoker, and could now be cut off from my pub - a major social
wrench.
How would you fancy having some other form of imposed legislation (that
would involve you in a massive life change) doing that to you?
And don't tell me just to give up smoking!

Surreyman

Magda

2005-10-26 11:33:49 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:56:11 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "a.spencer3"
<***@ntlworld.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... So presumably you don't smoke?
... I agree that 'no smoking' areas are pretty useless as far as non-smokers are
... involved - there is inevitable smoke drift, etc. I have every sympathy with
... them.
... Why the xxxxxx cannot establishments just have the freedom to declare
... themselves 'smoking' or 'non-smoking'?
... Customers and staff could then simply choose their venues/places of work
... accordingly.
... I'm a lifelong smoker, and could now be cut off from my pub - a major social
... wrench.
... How would you fancy having some other form of imposed legislation (that
... would involve you in a massive life change) doing that to you?
... And don't tell me just to give up smoking!

Oh no, never! Girls *love* kissing ashtrays. :-pp

a.spencer3

2005-10-26 11:44:43 UTC

Post by Magda
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:56:11 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "a.spencer3"
... So presumably you don't smoke?
... I agree that 'no smoking' areas are pretty useless as far as non-smokers are
... involved - there is inevitable smoke drift, etc. I have every sympathy with
... them.
... Why the xxxxxx cannot establishments just have the freedom to declare
... themselves 'smoking' or 'non-smoking'?
... Customers and staff could then simply choose their venues/places of work
... accordingly.
... I'm a lifelong smoker, and could now be cut off from my pub - a major social
... wrench.
... How would you fancy having some other form of imposed legislation (that
... would involve you in a massive life change) doing that to you?
... And don't tell me just to give up smoking!
Oh no, never! Girls *love* kissing ashtrays. :-pp

So choose your own mates accordingly, too!
I cannot stand kissing lipstick! :-))

Surreyman

Martin

2005-10-26 13:52:20 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:44:43 GMT, "a.spencer3"

Post by Magda
... How would you fancy having some other form of imposed legislation

(that

Post by Magda
... would involve you in a massive life change) doing that to you?
... And don't tell me just to give up smoking!

http://www.givingupsmoking.co.uk/essential_resources/Useful_tools/Cost_of_smoking_calculator/

Which claims that by not smoking for 35 years I have saved GBP223562

<Looks under mattress>

--
Martin

Magda

2005-10-26 14:12:16 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:44:43 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "a.spencer3"
<***@ntlworld.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... So choose your own mates accordingly, too!
... I cannot stand kissing lipstick! :-))
...
... Surreyman

Guess what hankies were invented for! :)

Timothy Kroesen

2005-10-26 15:37:02 UTC

That'snot true...

Tim K

Post by Magda
Guess what hankies were invented for! :)

The Reid

2005-10-26 12:01:56 UTC

Following up to a.spencer3

Post by The Reid
I'll be glad to see the back of the filthy stink, all health
matters aside.

So presumably you don't smoke?

never have, could never see the attraction of it. I loathe the
smoke. I've had a lifetime of inconsiderate smokers wafting
stinking fags in my face, offices full of smoke, (Not to mention
the stinking clothes the next day after being in a pub).now the
inconvenience is going to be the other way round.

Post by a.spencer3
I agree that 'no smoking' areas are pretty useless as far as non-smokers are
involved - there is inevitable smoke drift, etc. I have every sympathy with
them.

Its also common to find there's no space in the non smoking or
you are on the edge, right next to a smoker.

Post by a.spencer3
Why the xxxxxx cannot establishments just have the freedom to declare
themselves 'smoking' or 'non-smoking'?

They were discussing this on the radio yesterday, the opinion
given by a publican rep was that as large numbers of drinkers
also smoke, the trade would all go the smoking pubs, pressurising
the non smoking pubs to become smoking. It seems drinkers are
mostly smokers, so the only way the staff can be protected is if
all pubs stop.

Post by a.spencer3
Customers and staff could then simply choose their venues/places of work
accordingly.

That would seem reasonable to me, I assume an opposing argument
is people who were unemployed would work in the smoking pubs to
have a job? But I don't think that's a strong argument. Most of
the pubs I find myself in are the one pub in the village or area.
So often there would be one or the other, not a choice. (The
Wasdale Head, which I just returned from, has gone no smoking
throughout, without legislation).

Post by a.spencer3
I'm a lifelong smoker, and could now be cut off from my pub - a major social
wrench.

What the smokers do at the Wasdale Head is nip outside fro a
smoke. Why not do that?

Post by a.spencer3
How would you fancy having some other form of imposed legislation (that
would involve you in a massive life change) doing that to you?

"Massive" is an exaggeration. Being forced to modify behaviour is
more like it. The nearest parallel I can think of is being forced
to drive mind numbingly slowly on Motorways by the "safety" lobby
wit their cameras when I don't believe for one minute there's any
good reason to slow to 70. Like it or not we live in a safety
obsessed world now, driving fast and smoking are not acceptable
to those who want a safe but dull life.

Post by a.spencer3
And don't tell me just to give up smoking!

It would be the best thing. :-)

Magda

2005-10-26 14:13:48 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:01:56 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, The Reid
<***@fell-walker.co.uk> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Following up to a.spencer3
...
... >> I'll be glad to see the back of the filthy stink, all health
... >> matters aside.
... >
... >So presumably you don't smoke?
...
... never have, could never see the attraction of it. I loathe the
... smoke. I've had a lifetime of inconsiderate smokers wafting
... stinking fags in my face, offices full of smoke, (Not to mention
... the stinking clothes the next day after being in a pub).

Try smoke-stinking *long hair*!

Martin

2005-10-26 12:32:32 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:56:11 GMT, "a.spencer3"

Post by The Reid
Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

So what do the 70% of the population of non smokers do on ferries that
have no real smoke free areas?

Post by a.spencer3
I'm a lifelong smoker, and could now be cut off from my pub - a major social
wrench.
How would you fancy having some other form of imposed legislation (that
would involve you in a massive life change) doing that to you?
And don't tell me just to give up smoking!

Just give up smoking. I did from 70+ a day to nothing. If weak willed
me can do it anybody can. Money saved over 35 years, according to a
downloadable tool, in excess of GBP60,000 at current prices.

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-26 13:20:48 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by a.spencer3
Customers and staff could then simply choose their venues/places of work
accordingly.

So what do the 70% of the population of non smokers do on ferries that
have no real smoke free areas?

there are several problem groups like entertainers who access all
pubs or all of a group of pubs. What about the Sally Army, the
Police, Weights and Measures, er, the Fire Brigade? :-)

Martin

2005-10-26 13:24:05 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:20:48 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by a.spencer3
Customers and staff could then simply choose their venues/places of work
accordingly.

So what do the 70% of the population of non smokers do on ferries that
have no real smoke free areas?

there are several problem groups like entertainers who access all
pubs or all of a group of pubs. What about the Sally Army, the
Police, Weights and Measures, er, the Fire Brigade? :-)

and Health & Efficiency/Safetey?

--
Martin

DDT Filled Mormons

2005-10-26 15:32:34 UTC

Post by Martin
Just give up smoking. I did from 70+ a day to nothing. If weak willed
me can do it anybody can. Money saved over 35 years, according to a
downloadable tool, in excess of GBP60,000 at current prices.

One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.

You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

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Martin

2005-10-26 14:36:51 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:34 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.
You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

It was the most difficult thing I ever did.

--
Martin

DDT Filled Mormons

2005-10-26 15:57:43 UTC

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:34 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.
You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

It was the most difficult thing I ever did.

OK, I believe you on that one, coz I never really found anything in
life all that difficult.

I smoked pot with tobacco for years, and loved the tobacco rush I got
from each joint, but didn't find it tough to quit. I just moved to
another country instead!

--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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--

Martin

2005-10-26 15:05:10 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:57:43 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:34 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.
You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

It was the most difficult thing I ever did.

OK, I believe you on that one, coz I never really found anything in
life all that difficult.
I smoked pot with tobacco for years, and loved the tobacco rush I got
from each joint, but didn't find it tough to quit. I just moved to
another country instead!

I bet you didn't smoke 70 real cigarettes a day and hate every single
one.

--
Martin

DDT Filled Mormons

2005-10-26 16:25:24 UTC

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:57:43 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:34 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.
You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

It was the most difficult thing I ever did.

OK, I believe you on that one, coz I never really found anything in
life all that difficult.
I smoked pot with tobacco for years, and loved the tobacco rush I got
from each joint, but didn't find it tough to quit. I just moved to
another country instead!

I bet you didn't smoke 70 real cigarettes a day and hate every single
one.

Granted, that is true.

I never saw the point of smoking cigarettes. They stink, and cost a
lot. Rumour has it they lead to death too.

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Des Small

2005-10-26 15:30:18 UTC

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:34 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.
You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

[...]

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
I never saw the point of smoking cigarettes. They stink, and cost a
lot. Rumour has it they lead to death too.

Deefer's Law: Beating an addiction is easy, especially if you don't
have it in the first place.

Des

DDT Filled Mormons

2005-10-26 19:09:42 UTC

Post by Des Small

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:34 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.
You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

[...]

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
I never saw the point of smoking cigarettes. They stink, and cost a
lot. Rumour has it they lead to death too.

Deefer's Law: Beating an addiction is easy, especially if you don't
have it in the first place.

I remember smoking a cigarette when I was about 9 years old thinking
"I will never fall for this". Somehow I never did.

Oh what a self righteous guy am I.

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The Reid

2005-10-26 17:00:17 UTC

Following up to DDT Filled Mormons

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
I never saw the point of smoking cigarettes. They stink, and cost a
lot. Rumour has it they lead to death too.

and even worse, they are addictive.

m***@yahoo.com

2005-10-26 19:14:01 UTC

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:57:43 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:34 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons

One of the greatest myths ever is that cigarettes are difficult to
give up. It's simply not true.
You just need to want to, and to want to stay off them.

It was the most difficult thing I ever did.

OK, I believe you on that one, coz I never really found anything in
life all that difficult.
I smoked pot with tobacco for years, and loved the tobacco rush I got
from each joint, but didn't find it tough to quit. I just moved to
another country instead!

I bet you didn't smoke 70 real cigarettes a day and hate every single
one.

Granted, that is true.
I never saw the point of smoking cigarettes. They stink, and cost a
lot. Rumour has it they lead to death too.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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--

and the British government still can't make a decisio, d'oh !

The Reid

2005-10-27 08:24:00 UTC

Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Why the xxxxxx cannot establishments just have the freedom to declare
themselves 'smoking' or 'non-smoking'?

looks like you might be in luck, they are saying on the radio
they want to go back to original plan of no food/smoking places.

What will be the economics of it?

I can see your down market drinking pit will go for dropping the
pies but many the pubs I use make most of their money nowadays
from food. Some of my locals I find it hard to call. One has a
separate restaurant and gets lots of youngsters weekends just
drinking. The pub/tapas bar next door seems to sell more beer
than food but maybe they will jump no smoking? Interesting to see
how the youngsters choose, probably on which has the most
attractive opposite sex unaccompanied customers!

DDT Filled Mormons

2005-10-26 14:31:07 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:25:01 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

As long as adequate ventilation (read: very good) is provided, then
smoking should not be a problem to anyone.

If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

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a.spencer3

2005-10-26 13:51:06 UTC

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:25:01 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

As long as adequate ventilation (read: very good) is provided, then
smoking should not be a problem to anyone.
If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

Surreyman

The Reid

2005-10-26 13:55:53 UTC

Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

that would be asking me to make a massive change in my lifestyle
:-)

Martin

2005-10-26 13:58:19 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:55:53 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

that would be asking me to make a massive change in my lifestyle
:-)

Beerless smoking rooms next? :-)

--
Martin

Timothy Kroesen

2005-10-26 15:37:03 UTC

They call them 'coffee shops' Martin...

Tim K

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:55:53 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

that would be asking me to make a massive change in my lifestyle
:-)

Beerless smoking rooms next? :-)
--
Martin

Martin

2005-10-26 15:39:57 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:37:03 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"

Post by Timothy Kroesen
They call them 'coffee shops' Martin...

Coffee shops are not the same as Koffie shops, although Boot shops are
the same as Boat shops.

--
Martin

Timothy Kroesen

2005-10-26 15:42:02 UTC

'Koffie Koffie'... Martins' burning schwaag again...<g>

Tim K

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:37:03 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"

Post by Timothy Kroesen
They call them 'coffee shops' Martin...

Coffee shops are not the same as Koffie shops, although Boot shops are
the same as Boat shops.
--
Martin

Martin

2005-10-26 15:44:24 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:42:02 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"

Post by Timothy Kroesen
'Koffie Koffie'... Martins' burning schwaag again...<g>

See Maggots after skool.

--
Martin

Timothy Kroesen

2005-10-26 15:48:01 UTC

Talk about 'Old Skool'...<g>

Tim K

Post by Martin
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:42:02 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"

Post by Timothy Kroesen
'Koffie Koffie'... Martins' burning schwaag again...<g>

See Maggots after skool.
--
Martin

Martin

2005-10-26 15:49:05 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:48:01 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"

Post by Timothy Kroesen
Talk about 'Old Skool'...<g>

and a bag of worms.

--
Martin

Go Fig

2005-10-26 20:19:01 UTC

Post by The Reid
Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

that would be asking me to make a massive change in my lifestyle
:-)

Let the owner know, perhaps it would make sense for him to change the
policy.

I have seen no definitive evidence to support the "2nd hand smoke" risk
to employees. In fact, California, which led the way in this 'social
policy' legislation was sued to stop making such claims on their PSA TV
spots. They can't make the claims on TV... yet the law still stands...
no smoking even now at many of California's beaches.

What will it be tomorrow....

jay
Wed Oct 26, 2005
mailto:***@mac.com

tim (moved to sweden)

2005-10-26 20:55:05 UTC

Post by Go Fig

Post by The Reid
Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

that would be asking me to make a massive change in my lifestyle
:-)

Let the owner know, perhaps it would make sense for him to change the
policy.
I have seen no definitive evidence to support the "2nd hand smoke" risk
to employees.

I'm sure that we are all aware of the misuse of statistics that
can be used to 'prove' this either way.

Post by Go Fig
In fact, California, which led the way in this 'social
policy' legislation was sued to stop making such claims on their PSA TV
spots. They can't make the claims on TV...

This is probably because there has been no scientifically controlled
tests. That's hardly surprising. If you didn't smoke, would you
volunteer to sit in a smoky atmosphere all day so that they could
do one?

Post by Go Fig
yet the law still stands...
no smoking even now at many of California's beaches.
What will it be tomorrow....

what will what be, tomorrow?

tim

Go Fig

2005-10-26 23:14:09 UTC

Post by Go Fig

Post by The Reid
Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

that would be asking me to make a massive change in my lifestyle
:-)

Let the owner know, perhaps it would make sense for him to change the
policy.
I have seen no definitive evidence to support the "2nd hand smoke" risk
to employees.

I'm sure that we are all aware of the misuse of statistics that
can be used to 'prove' this either way.

Post by Go Fig
In fact, California, which led the way in this 'social
policy' legislation was sued to stop making such claims on their PSA TV
spots. They can't make the claims on TV...

This is probably because there has been no scientifically controlled
tests. That's hardly surprising.

But there is a long historical history that has been forensically
looked at... you look at people who worked in this environment in the
50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and correlate their medical history.

jay
Wed Oct 26, 2005

Post by tim (moved to sweden)
If you didn't smoke, would you
volunteer to sit in a smoky atmosphere all day so that they could
do one?

Post by Go Fig
yet the law still stands...
no smoking even now at many of California's beaches.
What will it be tomorrow....

what will what be, tomorrow?
tim

Martin

2005-10-26 13:57:00 UTC

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:51:06 GMT, "a.spencer3"

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:25:01 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

As long as adequate ventilation (read: very good) is provided, then
smoking should not be a problem to anyone.
If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

A fair number already do. Me for one.

Introducing legislation has been postponed for three months according
to the Guardian and the Times. They are back to pre-election no
pissing in the swimming pool model.

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-26 14:12:48 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by a.spencer3
Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

A fair number already do. Me for one.

you hear a lot of tourists complaining in Central London,
although most of the pubs I use you don't see that many smokers
anymore, in fact I hardly know anyone who still smokes, including
three because they are now dead :-(

The Reid

2005-10-26 14:12:48 UTC

Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Surreyman

I found out I'm a Surreyman too last night! Needed a copy of my
birth certificate and found I was born in Mitcham, Surrey (London
now) having told everybody for years I was born in Streatham!

a.spencer3

2005-10-26 16:16:58 UTC

Post by The Reid
Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Surreyman

I found out I'm a Surreyman too last night! Needed a copy of my
birth certificate and found I was born in Mitcham, Surrey (London
now) having told everybody for years I was born in Streatham!
--

Welcome! There aren't many of we gentlemen left!
(I was born in Nelson's Merton - I think that's now London also!).
But at least I still live in a quiet sheltered Surrey village - which
they're about to blast apart by building the new Surrey CC 'Democratic
Headquarters' (I jest not) right on top of us!

Surreyman

The Reid

2005-10-26 17:00:17 UTC

Following up to a.spencer3

Post by a.spencer3
Welcome! There aren't many of we gentlemen left!
(I was born in Nelson's Merton - I think that's now London also!).

Yes, LB Merton. The grandparents lived in Merton in street now
demolished for a shopping centre, Phipps Bridge Road. We must
have been born within a couple of miles of one another.

Post by a.spencer3
But at least I still live in a quiet sheltered Surrey village - which
they're about to blast apart by building the new Surrey CC 'Democratic
Headquarters' (I jest not) right on top of us!

Oh well, at least your not being knocked down!

Jack Campin - bogus address

2005-10-26 21:16:58 UTC

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

Well it isn't by me. I play in a number of folk sessions around
Edinburgh. I detest smoke but detest extractor fans and smoke
precipitators even more. They put out a continuous drone at 50Hz,
i.e. A flat. That is just about the worst possible pitch to have
a drone at for most Scottish music, which tends to be in zero to
three sharps. Pubs are legally obliged under Edinburgh byelaws
to switch these on as soon as anybody in the room lights up. So
just one smoker can fuck up a session with a dozen people playing
and 20 listeners, even if none of them can smell a damn thing.

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<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

2005-10-26 21:28:40 UTC

Post by Jack Campin - bogus address

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

Well, this may not be such a problem next year when Scotland bans
smoking in public places.

--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org

b***@cix.compulink.co.uk

2005-10-27 00:53:03 UTC

*Date:* Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:16:58 +0100

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

Just arrange for all participants to tune their instruments up or down by
a semitone. The audience will never know the difference. ;)

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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

2005-10-26 21:27:05 UTC

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:25:01 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

As long as adequate ventilation (read: very good) is provided, then
smoking should not be a problem to anyone.
If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

Most people don't smoke, even in pubs, yet hardly any pubs have
non-smoking policies, and the majority of pubs don't have any
non-smoking sections. That IMO is one of the reasons that you get a
certain amount of resentment against smokers. The Health Secretary looks
to have lost her fight to make the ban complete anyway, so smoking will
probably still be allowed in pubs which don't serve food and private
clubs. Whether or not those pubs will have to have separate non-smoking
areas (not just at the bar) remains to be seen, but I doubt it. This
just refers to England. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland will have
_complete_ bans. It's a ludicrous situation in the way. The pubs not
serving food (or who choose not to serve it any more) will be mostly in
poorer areas, further widening the health gap, but to paraphrase the
words of the ridiculous John Reid, 'poor people have few pleasures in
life, and one of them is smoking.'

--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org

b***@cix.compulink.co.uk

2005-10-27 00:53:22 UTC

besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy)
*Date:* Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:27:05 +0100

Post by DDT Filled Mormons
in
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:25:01 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Retired

Post by Retired
Where smoking is banned, nobody smoke,
but where it isn't banned (i.e. Ferries), people are free to smoke
and they DO.
It used to be known as Freedom.

As long as adequate ventilation (read: very good) is provided, then
smoking should not be a problem to anyone.
If smokers want to have a corner of their own next to an industrial
vacuum fan, that's fine by me!

Or, of course, those who wish could choose not go into pubs because of the
smoke.

Most people don't smoke, even in pubs

That's certainly true on a national basis, but one of the problems with
the whole issue (from the pubs' POV) is that it's far from true on an
individual-pub basis. I'm pretty sure that more than half the people in my
local smoke, for example (it's almost entirely a regulars' pub, so
there's not wild variation in that respect).

Of course, having said that, there's also some circularity to it - people
who can't stand smoke are less likely to come into pubs where a lot of
people smoke, increasing the proportion of smokers.

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No Spam

2005-10-09 13:14:23 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

"Count on it!"

Runge

2005-10-09 14:15:45 UTC

Ban on martin who has nothing else to do

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?
--
Martin

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

2005-10-09 17:45:34 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on
smoking here hasn't really been all that onerous for most
smokers - they quickly learned to take their butts outside,
making the air inside public places much pleasanter for
everyone.)

tim (moved to sweden)

2005-10-09 18:37:36 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on smoking here
hasn't really been all that onerous for most smokers - they quickly
learned to take their butts outside, making the air inside public places
much pleasanter for everyone.)

A slight difference in the climate helps here though.

tim

Frank F. Matthews

2005-10-09 19:17:55 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on smoking here
hasn't really been all that onerous for most smokers - they quickly
learned to take their butts outside, making the air inside public places
much pleasanter for everyone.)

A slight difference in the climate helps here though.
tim

Since 'outside' can include roofing and infrared heaters it's not much
of a difference. You aren't in Fargo.

tim (moved to sweden)

2005-10-09 21:16:19 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on smoking here
hasn't really been all that onerous for most smokers - they quickly
learned to take their butts outside, making the air inside public places
much pleasanter for everyone.)

A slight difference in the climate helps here though.
tim

Since 'outside' can include roofing and infrared heaters it's not much of
a difference. You aren't in Fargo.

I was thinking that the greater likelyhood of rain was as big a
problem as the lower temperature.

tim

(chancellor of the duchy of besses

2005-10-09 19:35:38 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on smoking here
hasn't really been all that onerous for most smokers - they quickly
learned to take their butts outside, making the air inside public places
much pleasanter for everyone.)

A slight difference in the climate helps here though.

Indeed, it's not so much fun to watch! :) <ducks>

--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
photos at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)

2005-10-09 23:28:26 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on smoking here
hasn't really been all that onerous for most smokers - they quickly
learned to take their butts outside, making the air inside public places
much pleasanter for everyone.)

A slight difference in the climate helps here though.

Depends upon where "here" is. ;-) Only SOUTHERN California
really qualifies for the description "sunny", and that's
only if you ignore the rainy season. (Which, unlike most
places, can mean a torrential downpour lasting for days
without letup.)

Runge

2005-10-10 04:43:05 UTC

Southern california now...
Lady you are a shame

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on smoking here
hasn't really been all that onerous for most smokers - they quickly
learned to take their butts outside, making the air inside public places
much pleasanter for everyone.)

A slight difference in the climate helps here though.

Depends upon where "here" is. ;-) Only SOUTHERN California really
qualifies for the description "sunny", and that's only if you ignore the
rainy season. (Which, unlike most places, can mean a torrential downpour
lasting for days without letup.)

Ian F.

2005-10-10 08:20:32 UTC

Depends upon where "here" is. ;-) Only SOUTHERN California really
qualifies for the description "sunny",

I thought it never rained in southern California...

and that's only if you ignore the rainy season.

Ah, so that's when it pours, man, it pours!

;-)

Ian

Runge

2005-10-09 19:27:28 UTC

Here we go with California !!
This lady is the most; the most...duhhh
I ever read on NG !
Une caricature et une insulte à l'intelligence.

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

Judging by California, not a chance! (Actually the ban on smoking here
hasn't really been all that onerous for most smokers - they quickly
learned to take their butts outside, making the air inside public places
much pleasanter for everyone.)

Giovanni Azua

2005-10-09 19:45:23 UTC

Hi!

That is just lovely!

I wish they did the same in Switzerland ... you go anywhere
here and then go back home stinking like hell to the stupid
smoke.

There is nothing I hate the most than having a beautiful read
in a park and getting some idiot start smoking right beside you.

Regards,
Giovanni

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?
--
Martin

dgs

2005-10-10 00:10:55 UTC

Post by Martin
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1588242,00.html
Ban on cars next?

I don't know about you, but I am simply apalled that people are allowed
to bring their cars into pubs, and I want the authorities to put a stop
to this sort of rubbish *right* *now*. It's even worse when the sods
are driving old cars and burning a bit of oil.

--
dgs

The Reid

2005-10-10 12:45:15 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

Tim C.

2005-10-10 12:57:30 UTC

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

It's the inevitable process of Americanisation, drive-in burger joints,
drive-in banks and next in line: drive-in pubs.

--
Tim C.

Timothy Kroesen

2005-10-10 14:26:12 UTC

We've had drive in stores that predominantly sell alcohol for Decades
already...

Drive in Churches too..!...<g>

Tim K

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

It's the inevitable process of Americanisation, drive-in burger joints,
drive-in banks and next in line: drive-in pubs.
--
Tim C.

Tim C.

2005-10-10 14:35:37 UTC

Post by Timothy Kroesen
We've had drive in stores that predominantly sell alcohol for Decades
already...
Drive in Churches too..!...<g>

In the UK? I've been away too long. Thank goodness.

--
Tim C.

Timothy Kroesen

2005-10-10 14:45:14 UTC

Put your hand on the speaker and pray with me...

Tim K

Post by Timothy Kroesen
We've had drive in stores that predominantly sell alcohol for Decades
already...
Drive in Churches too..!...<g>

In the UK? I've been away too long. Thank goodness.
--
Tim C.

Martin

2005-10-10 16:24:19 UTC

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:45:14 GMT, "Timothy Kroesen"

Post by Timothy Kroesen
Put your hand on the speaker and pray with me...

The speaker is Miasma?

--
Martin

Martin

2005-10-10 15:55:30 UTC

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

It's the inevitable process of Americanisation, drive-in burger joints,
drive-in banks and next in line: drive-in pubs.

Along with the fabled "Sail in McD" at Cowes a few years back.

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-11 07:25:56 UTC

Following up to Tim C.

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

It's the inevitable process of Americanisation, drive-in burger joints,
drive-in banks and next in line: drive-in pubs.

followed by drive in ditches?

Martin

2005-10-11 07:35:21 UTC

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:25:56 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Tim C.

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

It's the inevitable process of Americanisation, drive-in burger joints,
drive-in banks and next in line: drive-in pubs.

followed by drive in ditches?

for BMW drivers? :-)

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-11 08:57:36 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Tim C.
It's the inevitable process of Americanisation, drive-in burger joints,
drive-in banks and next in line: drive-in pubs.

followed by drive in ditches?

for BMW drivers? :-)

drunk drivers and ditches are not brand specific!

Martin

2005-10-11 08:59:20 UTC

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:57:36 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Tim C.
It's the inevitable process of Americanisation, drive-in burger joints,
drive-in banks and next in line: drive-in pubs.

followed by drive in ditches?

for BMW drivers? :-)

drunk drivers and ditches are not brand specific!

Do you mean they are drunk? I thought they always drove like that :-)

--
Martin

Martin

2005-10-10 16:44:34 UTC

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:45:15 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

Only leased BMWs.

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-11 08:36:24 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

Only leased BMWs.

mines owned now.

Martin

2005-10-11 08:50:44 UTC

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:36:24 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Ban on cars next?

in pubs?

Only leased BMWs.

mines owned now.

Been stolen or what? :-)

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-11 10:29:48 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Only leased BMWs.

mines owned now.

Been stolen or what? :-)

Carol moved job, so we bought the car, Lib Dems in new place do a
bicycle loan scheme or something.

Martin

2005-10-11 10:33:38 UTC

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:29:48 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Only leased BMWs.

mines owned now.

Been stolen or what? :-)

Carol moved job, so we bought the car, Lib Dems in new place do a
bicycle loan scheme or something.

Will you be getting a bike?

--
Martin

Tim C.

2005-10-11 10:59:49 UTC

Post by Martin
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:29:48 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Only leased BMWs.

mines owned now.

Been stolen or what? :-)

Carol moved job, so we bought the car, Lib Dems in new place do a
bicycle loan scheme or something.

Will you be getting a bike?

If it's not fast enough, get a motorbike :-)

--
Tim C.

Martin

2005-10-11 16:19:31 UTC

Post by Martin
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:29:48 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Only leased BMWs.

mines owned now.

Been stolen or what? :-)

Carol moved job, so we bought the car, Lib Dems in new place do a
bicycle loan scheme or something.

Will you be getting a bike?

If it's not fast enough, get a motorbike :-)

A BMW? :-)

--
Martin

Tim C.

2005-10-12 06:27:30 UTC

Post by Martin
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 11:29:48 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Only leased BMWs.

mines owned now.

Been stolen or what? :-)

Carol moved job, so we bought the car, Lib Dems in new place do a
bicycle loan scheme or something.

Will you be getting a bike?

If it's not fast enough, get a motorbike :-)

A BMW? :-)

Definitely not fast enough then ;-) Except the new 1200.

--
Tim C.

The Reid

2005-10-12 08:48:19 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Will you be getting a bike?

If it's not fast enough, get a motorbike :-)

A BMW? :-)

no way, BMW make drivers cars but not bikes, Ducatti!

Martin

2005-10-12 09:05:08 UTC

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:48:19 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Will you be getting a bike?

If it's not fast enough, get a motorbike :-)

A BMW? :-)

no way, BMW make drivers cars but not bikes, Ducatti!

If you look around you'll find most police forces use BMW m/bikes.

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-12 09:39:52 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
A BMW? :-)

no way, BMW make drivers cars but not bikes, Ducatti!

If you look around you'll find most police forces use BMW m/bikes.
--

you think I want to ride like a policeman?

Martin

2005-10-12 10:02:02 UTC

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 10:39:52 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
A BMW? :-)

no way, BMW make drivers cars but not bikes, Ducatti!

If you look around you'll find most police forces use BMW m/bikes.
--

you think I want to ride like a policeman?

Gawd knows what you want. :-)

Do you want to ride like an Italian?

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-12 14:28:36 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
If you look around you'll find most police forces use BMW m/bikes.
--

you think I want to ride like a policeman?

Gawd knows what you want. :-)
Do you want to ride like an Italian?

depends which one.

Martin

2005-10-13 09:55:00 UTC

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:28:36 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
If you look around you'll find most police forces use BMW m/bikes.
--

you think I want to ride like a policeman?

Gawd knows what you want. :-)
Do you want to ride like an Italian?

depends which one.

La Lollo?

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-13 11:17:28 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Do you want to ride like an Italian?

depends which one.

La Lollo?

was she a bike? Don't answer that!

Martin

2005-10-13 12:11:10 UTC

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:17:28 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by Martin
Do you want to ride like an Italian?

depends which one.

La Lollo?

was she a bike? Don't answer that!

I think you already did :-)

--
Martin

The Reid

2005-10-11 14:24:03 UTC

Following up to Martin

Post by The Reid
Carol moved job, so we bought the car, Lib Dems in new place do a
bicycle loan scheme or something.

Will you be getting a bike?

so it can get stolen after 10 minutes?

Martin

2005-10-11 16:31:04 UTC

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:24:03 +0100, The Reid

Post by The Reid
Following up to Martin

Post by The Reid
Carol moved job, so we bought the car, Lib Dems in new place do a
bicycle loan scheme or something.

Will you be getting a bike?

so it can get stolen after 10 minutes?

So long?

--
Martin

poldy

2005-10-10 18:16:16 UTC

Awesome news.

Now I can watch some WC next July with some good food and drink.

DaveJ

2005-10-12 08:35:02 UTC

Post by poldy
Awesome news.
Now I can watch some WC next July with some good food and drink.

Possibly not, isn't planned to become law for at least 3 years... Also if
Sky charges continue to rocket and the Tap Room smokers stay away you may
find most pubs turning into Taverna style places without 'entertainment'
(apart from those which have turned into houses or blocks of flats).

tim (moved to sweden)

2005-10-12 14:40:28 UTC

Post by DaveJ

Post by poldy
Awesome news.
Now I can watch some WC next July with some good food and drink.

Pubs are not, by definition, places of 'entertainment'
It's just that someone discover that providing entertainment
is revenue positive. It will continue to be provided whilst that
remains true.

Post by DaveJ
(apart from those which have turned into houses or blocks of flats).

true.

tim

DaveJ

2005-10-14 18:09:16 UTC